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[Dog-One]

Could it be real? Let me know what you think.




Sterlin's report may help you decide:
Elecotric claims to power house for 10 months

[Jeff Nading]

I can't believe it because, the wire the guy say's is feeding the house looks like a 14 gauge wire, all the appliances the guy is running would take more amperage than the wire will handle.

[Lynx]

£25 per month for unlimited electricity..........yes, that's £25 per month....for unlimited electricity.

I'm just gonna be sceptic and say that it's some form of wireless electric energy thief, tapping in on the
national grid, just because "you can't get something from nothing".

I would love to be proven wrong here, of course.

Anyway, the first customer who dares will rip it apart and let the rest of the World in on the secret.

[Dog-One]

(12-18-2012 09:58 AM)Jeff Nading Wrote:  I can't believe it because, the wire the guy say's is feeding the house looks like a 14 gauge wire, all the appliances the guy is running would take more amperage than the wire will handle.

If it is actually 12 AWG and 220volt...? Then maybe yes.

Lynx, did you cast your vote?

I intentionally didn't leave a third option of "Don't know", because I suspect many of us aren't so sure of things anymore.

[Lynx]

(12-18-2012 01:32 PM)Dog-One Wrote:  Lynx, did you cast your vote?

Is it a vote for the most relevant question?

Is it really powering his whole house?

or

Is it fake?

in that case either question is good enough for me

Actually, my statement stands, I think that the inventor has created some
wireless energy thief and that he doesn't know how it works.

I remember having seeing something like this before, where the inventor
made a transformer of sort which put out more energy than what was put in
to it (that would be in the kW range btw, not mW), only to discover that it
didn't work when he put it in the middle of nowhere, then it didn't work at all.

Too bad really

[Dog-One]

(12-18-2012 01:45 PM)Lynx Wrote:  Is it a vote for the most relevant question?

Is it really powering his whole house?

or

Is it fake?

in that case either question is good enough for me

Actually, my statement stands, I think that the inventor has created some
wireless energy thief and that he doesn't know how it works.

I remember having seeing something like this before, where the inventor
made a transformer of sort which put out more energy than what was put in
to it (that would be in the kW range btw, not mW), only to discover that it
didn't work when he put it in the middle of nowhere, then it didn't work at all.

Too bad really

Very likely--didn't look like the box was made from metal. Seems I recall overhead power lines in front of his home.

I sent a message to Sterling Allan to see if he can dig up "Video 9" of John Davenport's machine. Maybe we can have a clearer picture if someone is able to reveal that video before John locked it from being viewed on youtube.

I'd really like to get to the bottom of this device because it would be a game changer. So many things could be done if electrical power consumption was no longer a limiting factor in people's lives. Think about the Keshe 5KW home power plant... If we could all get our hands on one or two of those devices, what we would be able to do next would be nearly limitless.

[Jeff Nading]

(12-18-2012 01:32 PM)Dog-One Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 09:58 AM)Jeff Nading Wrote:  I can't believe it because, the wire the guy say's is feeding the house looks like a 14 gauge wire, all the appliances the guy is running would take more amperage than the wire will handle.

If it is actually 12 AWG and 220volt...? Then maybe yes.

Lynx, did you cast your vote?

I intentionally didn't leave a third option of "Don't know", because I suspect many of us aren't so sure of things anymore.

Dog-one
10 gauge wire is good for 30 amps, 12 gauge for 20 amps, 14 gauge for 15 amps. Doesn't matter what the voltage is. A breaker in a breaker panel protects the wire above their rated amperage and not so much the voltage. None of these wires will handle an electric stove or an A/C unit.

Lynx
You could be right, he could be using an induction type transformer, using the power lines as the source, which is illegal.

[Jeff Nading]

(12-18-2012 02:30 PM)Dog-One Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 01:45 PM)Lynx Wrote:  Is it a vote for the most relevant question?

Is it really powering his whole house?

or

Is it fake?

in that case either question is good enough for me

Actually, my statement stands, I think that the inventor has created some
wireless energy thief and that he doesn't know how it works.

I remember having seeing something like this before, where the inventor
made a transformer of sort which put out more energy than what was put in
to it (that would be in the kW range btw, not mW), only to discover that it
didn't work when he put it in the middle of nowhere, then it didn't work at all.

Too bad really

Very likely--didn't look like the box was made from metal. Seems I recall overhead power lines in front of his home.

I sent a message to Sterling Allan to see if he can dig up "Video 9" of John Davenport's machine. Maybe we can have a clearer picture if someone is able to reveal that video before John locked it from being viewed on youtube.

I'd really like to get to the bottom of this device because it would be a game changer. So many things could be done if electrical power consumption was no longer a limiting factor in people's lives. Think about the Keshe 5KW home power plant... If we could all get our hands on one or two of those devices, what we would be able to do next would be nearly limitless.

I do agree on this Dog-one.

[bussi04]

(12-18-2012 06:39 AM)Dog-One Wrote:  Could it be real? Let me know what you think.




Sterlin's report may help you decide:
Elecotric claims to power house for 10 months

17 minutes showing a house and some cable and a fan louder than an inverter. that´s nice entertainment ...

Imagine an inventor being unable to differentiate between important and small talk information like in this video. What does he want to tell?

Who would dig a hole in his house to show the mains grid cable on a video? Who would connect all these devices directly to his box instead of using standard house electrical wireing?

A clown! :-)

Hard to believe that someone like him has technical expertise to build anything like a wooden box that produces electric power :-)

[RSM]

You can find "elecotricltd" on twitter:
1. https://twitter.com/elecotricltd (edit: they deleted twitter account, link off)

Alot of spam there, but we can read there some info:
- She is Anna
- they live in south Bulgaria
- they have "website":

2. http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/230886

Now we know they names:
- Kevin J Claydon, Anna L E Claydon. Tia L C Claydon, Marcus Davenport.

So, let's google Kevin:

3. http://www.theoldcoachhousebulgaria.co.u...ow/6870121

hmm, that's about Kevin?
yes, and here is location of that home:
4. http://www.panoramio.com/photo/63231552?...google.com

scam imo.

[Dog-One]

(12-19-2012 02:37 AM)RSM Wrote:  - they have "website":

This seems to be the most revealing info:

indiegogo Wrote:Just 1 litre of water to run 24/7 for a month!

We are offering a 15% share of our Ltd Company for the $50,000 that we need in order to go in to full production of this product along with further development. Once one machine has been installed it will self generate the income for the next machine installation. Totally self funding there after.

We have assets that we can put as security against the amountwe are looking for, so zero risk for any investor

We are asset rich/cash poor as they say, Banks just dont want to even look at anything let alone lend money.

Some good research there RSM. The "Whois" record shows:

Code:

Domain Name: ELECOTRICLTD.COM
   Registrar: ENOM, INC.
   Whois Server: whois.enom.com
   Referral URL: http://www.enom.com
   Name Server: DNS1.REGISTRAR-SERVERS.COM
   Name Server: DNS2.REGISTRAR-SERVERS.COM
   Name Server: DNS3.REGISTRAR-SERVERS.COM
   Name Server: DNS4.REGISTRAR-SERVERS.COM
   Name Server: DNS5.REGISTRAR-SERVERS.COM
   Status: clientTransferProhibited
   Updated Date: 24-nov-2012
   Creation Date: 24-nov-2012
   Expiration Date: 24-nov-2013

Registration Service Provided By: Namecheap.com
Contact: support@namecheap.com
Visit: http://namecheap.com

Domain name: elecotricltd.com

Registrant Contact:
   WhoisGuard
   WhoisGuard Protected ()

   Fax:
   11400 W. Olympic Blvd. Suite 200
   Los Angeles, CA 90064
   US

Administrative Contact:
   WhoisGuard
   WhoisGuard Protected (5d68c6c2dc9048bfba44bbbd9a5c0503.protect@whoisguard.com)
   +1.6613102107
   Fax: +1.6613102107
   11400 W. Olympic Blvd. Suite 200
   Los Angeles, CA 90064
   US

So with the legal wranglings going over the property, it does appear the guy is in financial trouble which would signal some sort of scam. Motive for publishing the videos certainly has been established. The guy wants investor money to clear his numerous debts.

Even so, he does mention the device consumes water as a power source or catalyst--gives us another clue as to its operation. Maybe the device is stolen. Or possibly the guy got his hands on it from some other shady deal and repackaged it and is now trying to leverage it for money. Hard to say who actually built the thing. Still, it sure would be nice to know what is inside that box.

[Lynx]

That's some scam in that case, I don't see how he could offer it to the general public for £25 per month if it's indeed the
fake McCoy........?

[Dog-One]

(12-19-2012 07:56 AM)Lynx Wrote:  That's some scam in that case, I don't see how he could offer it to the general public for £25 per month if it's indeed the
fake McCoy........?

My only thought is to make it look like he is in it for the long haul--not to the general public but to his investors--kind of like a business model. If it is a legitimate technology and the guy in the video really invented it, he would have to know the story of Stan Meyers and be able to guess how things would go should he get cozy with lawyers and corporations. Today it seems like an inventor of a free energy technology only has two choices:
(1) Build it for yourself and keep your mouth shut to everyone including your own family.
(2) Develop it, build it, document it, then push everything to the four corners of the Internet and do it all as quickly as possible. When the horse has already left the barn, there really isn't any point in going after the inventor anymore. The target becomes the entire public domain which is far more difficult to control, censor or punish.

[Anothercoilgun]

Would the output of 24/7 for a month apply to the 300kiloWatts output

[Dog-One]

Posting this after gaining Sterling's permission to do so. I'm certainly getting a taste for what Sterling has to deal with every day. Probably wouldn't hurt to stop by http://freeenergynews.com/donations/ and make a contribution. Sterling is definitely on our side.

Email Exchange Wrote:John,

You have failed to put yourself in my shoes. Please do that for a minute, then you will see a different side.

I have been tirelessly pursing "finding and facilitating the best exotic free energy technologies" for a decade. Pretty much every waking hour, 7 days a week, nearly 365 days/year. Even on Christmas I put something up in our news. I've grown in stature over the years so that now many people (not all) view me as the premier voice for exotic free energy. I've been on Coast to Coast AM five times, and recently I was approached about doing a reality show on TV (see http://FreeEnergyQuest.com ), in which they would follow me around as I hunt for these energy solutions that mainstream science, media, politics say are "impossible."

I've been on the hunt for solutions because I don't like the direction our civilization is going. Free Energy is all about freedom -- breaking free of the powers that be. It makes the powers that be obsolete by empowering the individual, across the planet. It's the great equalizer.

I found out about your video and was very impressed. I thought, "This could be #1 in our Top 5 Exotic Free Energy Technologies closest to market" as listed at http://Top5Energy.com We've got a lot of people who want to help, and would jump at a chance to get involved in something like this, if needed.

On your YouTube page, you invite people to contact you, and I wanted to make that easier for my readers.

That was my context when I phoned the number I found publicly listed in association with your business listing found on a number of different websites in doing a Google search for "Elecotric Ltd"
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Eleco...=firefox-a
(note that now our PESWiki page is the first thing that pulls up, due to our reputation and links in/out through Google's algorithm for relevance)

Had your contact info been easy to find somewhere, such as your YouTube channel, video, or website (not up yet), then I could have called hours earlier when I first started working on building a page about your technology.

I'm a focused kind of guy, and when I set my mind to something, I get it done, then move to the next thing. My task for that day was to get this page up for the next day's feature.

Since I found the number in association with your business info, I presumed it was a business number. And in the U.S., 9 pm is pushing things, but not an ungodly hour. And I expected to get an answering machine, to then give you the option to call at your convenience.

What happened next started throwing up red flags for me.
•Your wife's curtness, totally unprofessional, for a company that has invited people to contact, but without listing contact info.
•Your flagrant lying about being "another John Davenport" by the same name, but totally unrelated.
•Your threatening to sue me for posting a phone number and address I found on a business listing for your company.
•More red flags listed at http://pesn.com/2012/12/18/9602247_Eleco...10_months/
You want to see my family info?
http://SterlingDAllan.com
http://peswiki.com/energy/Congress:Membe...g_D._Allan

I have balls of steel. I'm not afraid. The bully loses power when you have no fear of the bully.

I have encountered a lot of frauds in this quest. See http://peswiki.com/energy/Directory:Buyer_Beware

I don't list you there yet.

I would like to give you an opportunity to prove yourself.

We have a lot of associates in the UK, and a few in Bulgaria as well. And many others who would be more than happy to fly in on our behalf, see your technology, and validate it, if it is indeed real. I was in the UK myself three times in the past three months. I would have loved to stop by.

The most simple demonstration for that would be for your "black box" to power a full load, separate from the house, isolated. It would need to run 5x longer than what some kind of hidden battery or other storage mechanism could supply from that size of container. If it was running 100 kW, for example, that could be 5 hours of continuous, undiminishing power to the load. Then we could vouch for your technology for all the world, who would joyously receive the news, for the most part.

That demonstration would be videotaped and signed off on by reputable scientists.

Or perhaps you have already performed third party tests of this ilk, and you could provide those results, which I could report, either by publishing them as is, or by saying "I and a few of my associates saw the report(s) under NDA and we can vouch that this device does what is claimed."

We have a lot of people in our audience who are itching to license a technology like this to roll out in their region of the world, either as manufacturers, distributors, installers, or franchisers.

If your technology is real. We need to be friends.

Don't blame me for us getting off on the wrong foot.

Sterling


----- Original Message -----
From: Elecotric L
To: Sterling Allan
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: Lawyers


Dear Sterling,

Sorry but you made the mistake by putting details out BEFORE SPEAKING TO MYSELF, IS that not correct?

Due to 3000 emails coming in each day along with trips to the USA, and 5 other Countries in the past 7 weeks, you can imagine there isn't enough hours in the day.

I was alerted by you only yesterday (Tuesday 18th) by Christa one of my Swiss Directors who as you can imagine gets many many crank calls.

Once I had access to Internet I then noticed your details on You Tube and duly responded (last night).

As you can Imagine seeing the details that you have put OUT I was left with no alternative other than to speak to my Lawyers about this, who are now in charge of what to do next.

Sterling, how would you like it if I published your FULL details of your family, children etc after all you have now put my family in a dangerous position.

Due to what you have published.

I am an Inventor, not a computer geek, have never used YouTube before let alone formation of Companies etc.

Since the launch on You Tube, my families world has been turned upside down, with people telling us that people get murdered over such things!

That's without all the business meetings myself and Directors/Patent Attorneys/Lawyers etc have had in recent weeks.

32 Countries want to speak with me, with meetings already conducted with very large corporate companies around the world.

I was in the USA just recently and sad to say that If my machines where already in production I could have helped so many people reference to Sandy, but alas they were not as of October the one in the Video was the mark 7 version but NOT the production model, which is now on the cards. With a major launch in early 2013 thanks to some large corporate eco companies getting involved.

And NO I haven't SOLD out, I still OWN 100% of the Companies and Patent Pending.

I stand by my morals and Christian Beliefs and really DO WANT to help those less fortunate out there.

I have turned down open Cheque Books from Major players in many fields, which now means they are willing to work on my terms, other wise others will, simple. Gets the job done.

Now I ask you to STOP publishing any of my details without my permission and if you want to meet then more than willing to in the UK otherwise I have a trip to Florida, Haiti, Bahamas and Nigeria very soon along with only today. Costa Rica, Australia and New Zealand.

My Invention IS 100% Genuine with 18 years in the making as Video 9 showed but had to lock first due to advise from Lawyers and corporate companies who are now in place.

Now thanks to you I have locked ALL videos.

Its such a shame that when you try and do good someone always wants to get in and mess it all up.

So now do we go from here.

You have my respect for what you have done on your website BUT NOT how you conducted yourself with Christa calling her at 21.00 after a very busy schedule she has been under along with publishing details about Elecotric and myself.

Invasion of Privacy my Lawyers state.

Plus the ADDRESS you have reference to Bottisham is in correct.

So lets see what kind of man you are, a Bully or someone who really does car about Mother Earth and our Children's Future as I and my family do, after all the good LORD will take us all one day, those that know him will be saved, which one are you?

Mathew 7.7 Proverbs 3 versus 5-6 say it all

Back to you and await your response.

I have forwarded this to my Lawyers, we are Totally Genuine here.

Kind Regards John Davenport CEO, MD, D, C.I.C (Current formations of companies and websites under construction)





On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Sterling Allan wrote:

Hi John,

If you really have the technology you claim, and we would all want that to be the case, then congratulations are in order.

I hope you can see that you made a mistake by snubbing me and not letting me talk to you when I reached out to do so.

I represent the largest body of exotic free energy technology supporters on the planet.

Bad move on your part.

| Sterling D. Allan,
| New Energy Systems Trust (NEST), President
| http://www.EnergyNEST.org
| (Pure Energy Systems) PES Network, Inc., CEO
| http://PESWiki.com
|
| "The best news and directory service on the net
| regarding cutting edge energy technologies."
|
| Profile: http://SterlingDAllan.com
| Phone: +1-801-407-1292 (mountain time)
| Ephraim, Utah, USA
|
| "The government's job should be to protect freedom, not control our lives."




----- Original Message -----
From: Elecotric L
To: sterlingda@pureenergysystems.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
Subject: Lawyers


Dear Mr S D Allen,

I have forwarded on the:

feature page on Elecotric Ltd
I've created a feature page at http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Elecotric_Ltd. to my Lawyers, Simon Portman, Managing Associate Marks and Clerk Solicitors LLP.
62-68 Hills Road, Cambridge, CB2 1LA.
http://www.marks-clerk.com
Tel: +44 (0)1223 345539 UK

As I believe you are in breach of many Laws, publishing details without my permission, which are also In correct and invasion of privacy, will leave my Lawyers to deal with this.

As for Christa, you clearly do not know the current state of play with my Invention along with Ltd Company format and future plans since launch of You Tube Video in October.

I have just come back from the USA, Spain, France, Switzerland, Italy along with the UK, with talks from interested parties looking to get involved in this.

So I do apologise for NOT being able to speak with you, BUT there is just NOT enough hours in the day and you are NOT the only one wanting to talk with me.

As for the way you have gone about this, you have done yourself no favours.

Christa WILL be spoken to (by the way she set up the UNITED NATIONS Program in the UK) just bad timing on your part from a very busy schedule that we have just undertaken in the last 5 weeks. Tired would be a good word.

You now have MY email address here.

John Davenport CEO, MD, D, C.I.C

Regards.

---

Looks like all the videos are now locked and the Twitter page is gone. Another possible case where the lawyers may have won. Errr....

[Lynx]

Most interesting, thanks for posting

PS:
Does Sterling know about this forum.........?
DS

[RSM]

Summary:
Kevin Claydon and his wife Anna claydon are involwed in some scamms in South Bulgaria.
We see here story of Steven Michael Charlesworth:
1. http://www.theoldcoachhousebulgaria.co.u...ow/6870121
Non annonymous person in web is a good source of info imo.
Then Kevin and Anna claimed they saw UFO:
2. http://www.uk-ufo.co.uk/south-bulgaria-1...nt-page-1/
It's ofc funny. But see coments below directed to Steven Michael Charlesworth
quote:
"Don’t sweat it Charlesworth – you’ll be dead soon and it won’t matter.
Kev"
It's not funny at all.
Then Kevin and Anna claimed they have new energy source postings films on YouTube.
Films are now privete, but last one backup you can see in Sterlings site:
3. http://pesn.com/2012/12/18/9602247_Eleco...10_months/
On sites i found before we see that anna claims her husband is an inventor. Notice that Anna posted as Elecotricltd on YouTube and Twitter.
Then John Marcus Davenport showing as an inventor. Is that posible that John = Kevin? Kevin used diferent names before - Steve Brown , Steve the boss:
4. http://cheapbulgarianproperties.blogs.ex...31370.html
On twitter Anna started cooperation with Ethic Energy C.I.C.
5. http://ethicenergy.com/
And we easy can find who is there:
6.http://companycheck.co.uk/company/08125311
Mr Sathish Sivasubramanian
Mrs Christa Franziska Sathish
But imo, they are just victims of Kevin/John.

I did that research just for fun. But after that:
1. Im sure its a scamm
2. I hope nobody will be hurt by that. I hope doughter of Kev and Anna will have good life and they will not hurt her.

[Dog-One]

Good research RSM. I think we can write this one off. Even if there was viable technology to be had, no one will ever get to it through these folks.

It's really a shame, because some sort of silent running device that could be built and connected to everyone's home would sure be a great first start in becoming energy independent as well as proving free energy is something that individuals can harness.

Moderators, if you wouldn't mind, please close and lock this thread.